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By doing a clean install on a formatted hard drive, Microsoft has little way of checking whether your previous OS version

With Windows 10's release looming ahead on July 29, Microsoft Corp. (MSFT) has answered most questions about the highly anticipated (mostly) free operating system upgrade.  But one unanswered question has been what fate will await those with Windows XP and Vista.

I. Loophole Opens Door to Legacy Upgrades

The official party line from Microsoft is that you will have to buy an individual license, or an OEM license resold in bulk.  But for those with a Windows XP or Vista machine who don't want to spend $100 USD or more, it appears there's a clever workaround -- but only if you act immediately.

The workaround begins with a Windows 10 Insider Preview ISO.

Ordinarily, you can't install Windows 10 on a Windows XP or Windows Vista PC.  But since at least Insider Preview Build 10130, consumer available ISOs have been offered direct from Microsoft.  Once burned to a DVD, these ISOs can offer a clean install.

Does Microsoft officially approve of this loophole?  Obviously not.  Technically speaking these clean installs are not intended for Windows XP or Vista computers as that would arguably be bad or wrong.  You're supposed to upgrade to Windows 7, 8, or 8.1 and then install the Preview Build.

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But the problem is that if Microsoft goofed up and somehow bricked your existing Windows 10 install, and you were testing on a Windows 7, 8, or 8.1 machine and forgot the license key (or weren't given it properly by your OEM) you'd essentially be left with nothing unless Microsoft gave you a recovery option.  Being a good sport, Microsoft has done precisely that, via the clean install ISOs.  But their existence also creates an interesting loophole as you can use them for a fresh install on a machine currently running Windows XP or Vista.

It's worth noting, as well, that this loophole isn't particularly new.  Users with an enterprise subscription could get preview ISOs for the Technical Preview for Enterprise builds (the enterprise equivalent of Insider Preview builds) for some time now.

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Now Microsoft has already said that ALL users running official Windows 10 Insider Preview Builds will receive an update to the full licensed Windows 10.  But it's also said that you need a Windows 7, 8, and 8.1 license to get a free upgrade to Windows 10.  So what happens if you do a clean install over a Windows XP or Vista license?  Will you be frozen on the Insider Preview?

II. License Required?

While some were aware of the loophole, interest in it picked up following official comments by Microsoft on Windows 10 licensing.

In a blog, Microsoft wrote (emphasis mine):

As long as you are running an Insider Preview build and connected with the MSA you used to register, you will receive the Windows 10 final release build. Once you have successfully installed this build, you will also be able to clean install on that PC from final media if you want to start over fresh. It's important to note that only people running Genuine Windows 7 or Windows 8.1 can upgrade to Windows 10 as part of the free upgrade offer.*

The statement prompted fears among users who had started with an authentic copy of Windows 7, 8, and 8.1, but had been forced to do a clean install due to a failure in one of the Insider Preview builds.  At the heart of the controversy was the question of whether such a tactic would be fair, as a small, but significant numbers of Insider Preview testers had faced catastrophic failures that forced them to do a clean reinstall.  If they had lost their license info, or weren't properly given it by their PC OEM, these users would effectively be left behind, in spite of starting with a valid copy of an upgrade-applicable Windows license.

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Cmmon OEM Windows license stickers are pictured. [Image Source: SuperUser/mokubai]

User fears were heightened because that passage of the post written by Windows manager Gabriel Aul had previously read:

As long as you are running an Insider Preview build and connected with the MSA you used to register, you will receive the Windows 10 final release build and remain activated. Once you have successfully installed this build and activated, you will also be able to clean install on that PC from final media if you want to start over fresh.

The addition of the last sentence and deletion of the bolded clauses in the original paragraph appears to be the work of Microsoft's legal department and perhaps raised more concern than if it had simply been in the post from the start.

But was Microsoft truly saying that it would shut out Insider Preview testers?  Or was it just stating for the record that it didn't condone the exploitation of this loophole for legacy upgrades?


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Aul himself chimed in, hinting at the latter.  Responding to a user question submitted to his Twitter Inc. (TWTR) account (@gabeaul), he writes: So apparently the loophole still exists.  This sort of makes sense, as at the end of the day Microsoft has no reliable way of telling the difference between a hard drive with a bricked Windows 7/8/8.1 on it vs. a bricked install of XP/Vista.  

III. Exploiting Loophole Carries Some Risks

Some readers may ask -- why don't we see this approach normally?

That's largely because with the normal consumer release scenario the old saying "buyer beware" applies.  But when it comes to Insider Preview test builds, Microsoft's decision reflects the reality that prerelease software can and will often suffer major failures.  Thus Microsoft's decision to condone the loophole ultimately boils down to its realization that any move to punish XP/Vista users exploiting the clean installs would also wind up harming legitimate users.

Thus if you're willing to throw your moral compass out the window and embrace the dark joys of piracy, than you potentially may want to utilize this loophole before it closes for good with the release of Windows 10 (at which point Insider Preview ISOs will no longer properly install).

Windows 10 Insider
Those who exploit the loophole to pirate Windows 10 onto Windows XP/Vista machines will be stuck in the Insider Program unless they pay up to get an authentic license.

This may seem like a loss to Microsoft, but some are pointing out that ultimately the impact should be small.  Neowin's chief editor Brad Sams, for instance,  writes:

You could make the argument that Windows XP or Vista users can save themselves a couple hundred dollars and use this method to upgrade to Windows 10 for free but if a consumer is still using XP, the likelihood of them jumping to Windows 10 is small as they have remained entrenched with the decades old OS. And even if a few do, the bottom-line impact of this loophole is minimal, except in China, where piracy runs rampant. But in that case, do you believe those users, who already pirated Windows XP, were going to buy Windows 10 in the first place?

Indeed, they probably were not going to.

As a final note for those who consider exploiting this loophole be aware that just because Microsoft does not currently have a tool to check for Windows XP/Vista on a clean install does not mean that it won't get one.  Users who leverage the loophole may be able to safeguard themselves somewhat by first formatting their drive before attempting to install.  

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Ultimately use the loophole at your own risk, as it's possible at some point Microsoft could yet come with some sort of novel validation scheme (e.g. requiring users who clean installed give the serial numbers of their laptops to verify they're of the proper era) to weed out many of those look to exploit the loophole.  

Also be aware that if you do exploit the loophole you will likely be stuck semi-permanently in Microsoft's Insider Preview program.  As opting out requires a license to activate your operating system, customers who exploit the loophole will either have to accept their lot as Microsoft's software guinea pigs or begrudgingly pay for a license.  Hence, this particular piracy won't be a complete loss for Microsoft.

Sources: Windows [official blog], Gabriel Aul on Twitter (@GabeAul), via Neowin





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MSA?
By synapse46 on 7/7/2015 9:59:14 AM , Rating: 3
Can someone please tell me what an MSA number is?

Initially I thought this was a paid account.




RE: MSA?
By CZroe on 7/20/2015 9:13:41 AM , Rating: 2
Not a number: "Microsoft Account."

This loophole is closed now, BTW. The activation servers no longer accept Insider Preview keys.


RE: MSA?
By CZroe on 7/20/2015 2:24:31 PM , Rating: 2
I should rephrase that: the activation servers no longer accept Insider Preview keys for new first-time activations. You can activate with the same key again if you were able to activate successfully on ththe same system prior to the change.


Clear something up for me, please.
By Schrag4 on 6/24/2015 12:59:41 PM , Rating: 2
I have a PC that had Vista at first but then I bought a Win7 upgrade for it. In my mind, that's a genuine Win7 machine, according to Microsoft's concept of "Genuine" (not pirated). However, I'm aware that there is a distinction between full OS licenses and upgrade licenses, as I found out when I re-installed the OS recently. I thought I could use the Win7 upgrade media to do a full install, but I found out I had to install Vista first. I seem to remember that upgrade media for previous versions were much less strict about that.

Anyway, am I eligible for the free Win10 upgrade on my machine that was upgraded to Win7 from Vista? And before you tell me not to upgrade, yes, I know I'll hate it for a while and wish I had Win7 back, but I don't want to be stuck in the past.




By kamk44 on 6/24/2015 9:59:39 PM , Rating: 2
Here is the requirement from MSFT's site:

The only requirements are that a) your device is compatible, and b) you’re running genuine Windows 7 Service Pack 1 (SP1) or Windows 8.1 (Update).

Should not matter if you got there by way of purchasing a computer with that on it, if you purchased an upgraded or if you did a clean install with an OEM disc.


can somebody PLEASE explain
By de3v0ol on 7/13/2015 6:48:49 PM , Rating: 2
GOD. I read this article and still I didnt understand, if I have Windows Vista and DONT have 7;8 and so on, can I still get free license of windows 10 ?
or will I be stuck with the preview version of it ?

I need simple answer, let me know asap I need to reinstall, reply to me here or on email
quote:
xdanielius@gmail.com


thanks alot guys great website anyway!




Wrong & late
By FF22 on 6/23/15, Rating: -1
RE: Wrong & late
By Avatar28 on 6/23/2015 5:20:35 PM , Rating: 5
Not exactly. Basically it works like this:

If you install the Win10 TP by upgrading a valid Win 7/8 system then it keeps a record of your license key for the old OS and will use that to automatically activate your Windows 10 license. If you go the clean install option and want to activate your upgrade license then you have to roll back to your old OS, use that to activate your upgrade license and then upgrade or clean install the RTM.

Conversely, if you are willing to stay on the insider program and continue to get prerelease builds then you can continue to use their OS for free. After all, even if you don't submit one single piece of feedback through the app, you are still helping them by metrics and other reports that are submitted in the background. You know, the ones you agreed to when you signed up for the tech preview? Them giving you free use of the software is effectively your payment for helping them by being part of the TP.

So you CAN get Windows 10 for free, but only by continuing to be their guinea pig.


RE: Wrong & late
By Labotomizer on 6/23/2015 7:43:43 PM , Rating: 2
We're still not 100% clear on what will happen at the end. But I think they're being evasive on purpose. Think about it, they can't condone piracy but it benefits them to have as many people on valid windows licenses. That will lead to more people with access to the Windows store, which will lead to Microsoft making more money off users purchasing software.

The additional preview users is something I hadn't considered but I think that's another good point


RE: Wrong & late
By JasonMick on 6/23/2015 8:30:52 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Not exactly. Basically it works like this:

If you install the Win10 TP by upgrading a valid Win 7/8 system then it keeps a record of your license key for the old OS and will use that to automatically activate your Windows 10 license. If you go the clean install option and want to activate your upgrade license then you have to roll back to your old OS, use that to activate your upgrade license and then upgrade or clean install the RTM.

Conversely, if you are willing to stay on the insider program and continue to get prerelease builds then you can continue to use their OS for free. After all, even if you don't submit one single piece of feedback through the app, you are still helping them by metrics and other reports that are submitted in the background. You know, the ones you agreed to when you signed up for the tech preview? Them giving you free use of the software is effectively your payment for helping them by being part of the TP.

So you CAN get Windows 10 for free, but only by continuing to be their guinea pig.
Thank you for correcting the op.

For those like the op who clearly need a shorter explanation, yours is to the point. ;)

As they say freedom isn't free.

Also it's worth noting that in the piece I explicitly state Microsoft could change it's mind at any time. That said, I think offfering a small group of testers -- pirates or not -- a free license in exchange for using them as a captive test audience is more than worth it for Microsoft. Good strategy on their part.

And in case anybody doesn't believe you and I, Neowin is "clarifying" with this exact same thing:

http://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-windows-insid...

Note to the orig. op and doubters: the title has to be read carefully. Just because Microsoft isn't calling it that, doesn't mean it isn't that in effect if you're willing to play by Microsoft's rules.

Again NO ONE -- not Avatar, myself, nor Neowin -- is saying this gives you a full fledged Windows license. You obtain a TEMPORARY rolling license but are at Microsoft's mercy and have to test their experimental builds to keep that license alive.

If you want the actual consumer/stable release of Windows 10, you'll need a Windows 7, 8, and 8.1 license or to buy a fresh OEM license.

This just gives XP and Vista users another option.


RE: Wrong & late
By bug77 on 6/24/2015 3:54:09 AM , Rating: 1
The thing is, initially Microsoft implied that by installing a Win10 preview, you'd be eligible for a full license upon launch. Since then, they've clarified that if you don't own a license for Win7 or 8, you'd be stuck in the tech preview realm forever. That's all there is to it.


RE: Wrong & late
By JasonMick on 6/24/2015 10:10:13 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
The thing is, initially Microsoft implied that by installing a Win10 preview, you'd be eligible for a full license upon launch. Since then, they've clarified that if you don't own a license for Win7 or 8, you'd be stuck in the tech preview realm forever. That's all there is to it.
True, but where things get a bit murkier is on the front of updates.

By the sound of it (from what I've read direct from Microsoft and from insiders like Mary Jo Foley, Ed Bott, and Paul Thurott) you WILL get an update to the finihsed Windows 10, but will be forced to test upcoming Windows Update ans ervice pack updates (e.g. Project Redstone) in order to keep your "trial" privilege alive.

That's a bit different than being frozen on an unfinished OS.

However, it remains possible that Microsoft could ultimately decide to freeze those who did clean installs.

I own a valid (OEM system builder) license for Windows 8 Pro that I started from and I plan to remain in the Insider Program, so while I don't carry the aforementioned risk, I can say that if the Vista/XP "pirates" are stuck in the Insider program, it's not so bad a fate. Other than the buggy GeForce drivers, testing has been a rather enjoyable experience thus far.


RE: Wrong & late
By kurahk7 on 6/24/2015 3:28:00 PM , Rating: 2
What if you're a rebel and do that to get the free os and then disconnect it from the internet pretty much for life? Say that this computer is pretty much an offline media player lol.


RE: Wrong & late
By Avatar28 on 6/24/2015 3:38:42 PM , Rating: 2
The build will expire and stop working after a while. As long as you continue to get new builds the clock will get reset with each one but if you stay offline then obviously that won't happen. I suppose it might be possible to keep resetting the system clock to keep it from expiring, I don't know.


RE: Wrong & late
By Argon18 on 6/30/2015 11:06:33 AM , Rating: 2
So this process of online updating the build, it will eventually end with the installed build being the final commercial version?


RE: Wrong & late
By themaster08 on 7/6/2015 9:52:51 AM , Rating: 2
Yes, anyone who has currently installed the preview builds on their systems will receive the final commerical (RTM) build without having to format and reinstall. Licensing, however, is a completely separate matter.

Users that have performed an upgrade or performed a fresh install of Windows 10 on a PC that has a genuine Windows 7/Windows 8 license will continue to be licensed. Users that have installed the preview on a system that has no license, or has upgraded to the Windows 10 Preview build on a PC with a non-genuine license will continue to be unlicensed.


RE: Wrong & late
By Dr of crap on 6/24/2015 12:18:45 PM , Rating: 1
Ummmmm,
I have Win7. Why would I upgrade again?
Oh yea I wouldn't!


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